Chatter rocks and featured COB authors rock even more. Creatures of Passage ( “Best of 2021” by Washington Post and NPR) author Morowa Yejide joins David and Torie. They talk fame and fortune (David’s first book?) and if an apology is enough (nope). Thanks to Alex Dobert, Barrett Holmes Pitner zooms in to talk about The Crime Without a Name, his eye-opening and thought provoking take on how we could find a new way to talk about culture nd racism in America.